I am a strong atheist. I think that given everything we know as the human race it's clear that any sort of god that has been proposed is a fairy tale. However I would like to argue that faith, that is believing something without proof or experience, is a rational position and in fact something we all employ daily.

I think I have chosen the more difficult side. Terms of debate to be 3 rounds of posting, max 750 words. Open for change of course.

Jameson

OK. I'm game. I would just like to know that-since your are taking the affirmative and will most likely give the first constructive essay-will you be defining your terms better? Will you be arguing faith as it relates to the supernatural-like god? Or what .

I propose that we clarify the propsition, or resolution, or whatever it may be called in this type of arena, and then we both know what is to be argued.

But, no matter what, I feel that I can convince MHF, that faith is dead.

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I will define terms better in my first post but I should clarify some things now. My argument is really about what constitutes knowledge in our minds. We learn and know things through personal experience, scientific reasoning and proof and also greatly through faith. By this I mean taking to be true claims that we cannot justify ourselves and have not experienced. This does relate to the question of god but it also relates to things like why we know that walking off a cliff will kill us even though we haven't done it.

Sounds like fun! Let's do it.
A couple of questions:

1. How long do we have to reply?
2. What is the policy on quoting sources? can we copy and paste text from sites? Or, would we not quote others and just try to out wit each other like Mr. F and TPH?

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Hmm, let's say a maximum of 4 days inbetween posts. Sound good? If something comes up we can extend this, but it's good to have a goal so it gets finished.

We don't have a policy yet. If the reference is more obscure, maybe include a citation but for the most part it should be your words. I think the more original it is the easier it is. I don't want to be checking through all your sources like a research paper .

Anyway, I'll try to make my opening post soon. I'll get one of the Mods to moderate this particular debate.

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I'm happy to Moderate this debate.

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The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark. (Michelangelo Buonarroti)

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Agreed. I relinquish my duties for the debate and give you power to decide the matters that arise during the debate, which hopefully will be none. But we will see.