Math Help Forum

Math Help Forum Feed Site Feed

Go Back   Math Help Forum > University Math Help > Calculus
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old November 7th, 2009, 07:42 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 16
Country:
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
chinkmeista is on a distinguished road
Default How do i show the Taylor Series of inverse sine?

Hiya, i've got to show that the Taylor series for arcsine(x) = x + (x^3/6) + (3x^5/40) +....

I've tried using the general formula where i set it out as a table of derivatives i.e f'(a), f''(a), f'''(a) etc and when a=0 but it doesn't work and i only get x. The rest turns out as 0 for the coeffiecent when i substitute a=0 in to the higher derivatives.

Does anyone have any ideas? Many thanks.

Chinkmeista.
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old November 7th, 2009, 08:54 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 126
Thanks: 45
Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts
xxlvh is on a distinguished road
Default

Maybe the derivatives were incorrect?
f(x) = sin^{-1}x
f(0) = sin^{-1}0 = 0

f'(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}}

f'(0) = 1

f''(x) = \frac{x}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{3}{2}}}

f''(0)= 0

f'''(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}}

f'''(0) = 1

f^{(4)}(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}}

f^{(4)}(0) = 0

f^{(5)}(x) = \frac{24x^{4}+12x^{2}+9}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{9}{2}}}

f^{(5)}(0) = 9

This gives \sin^{-1}x = x+\frac{x^{3}}{3!}+\frac{9x^{5}}{5!}+... = x+\frac{x^{3}}{6}+\frac{3x^{5}}{40}+...

Last edited by xxlvh; November 7th, 2009 at 08:56 PM. Reason: LaTex errors
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old November 7th, 2009, 08:58 PM
redsoxfan325's Avatar
Super Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Swampscott, MA
Posts: 918
Country:
Thanks: 53
Thanked 335 Times in 323 Posts
redsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkmeista View Post
Hiya, i've got to show that the Taylor series for arcsine(x) = x + (x^3/6) + (3x^5/40) +....

I've tried using the general formula where i set it out as a table of derivatives i.e f'(a), f''(a), f'''(a) etc and when a=0 but it doesn't work and i only get x. The rest turns out as 0 for the coeffiecent when i substitute a=0 in to the higher derivatives.

Does anyone have any ideas? Many thanks.

Chinkmeista.
It works fine just taking the derivatives, though it is pretty tedious. The third derivative is \frac{2x^2+1}{(x^2-1)^2\sqrt{1-x^2}} and the fifth is \frac{24x^4+72x^2+9}{(x^2-1)^4\sqrt{1-x^2}}.

Note a pattern: The (n+1) derivative of inverse sine is \frac{(-1)^n(n!x^n+...)}{(x^2-1)^n\sqrt{1-x^2}}

The numerator is some polynomial, but the only obvious pattern to it was the factorial coefficient for the highest power (though there is undoubtedly some pattern for the rest of the terms).
__________________
Three people were asked whether it was better to have a wife or a mistress.

Doctor: "A wife, because studies have shown that wives have beneficial effects on your health."
Lawyer: "Definitely a mistress, because a wife will just take all your money in a divorce."
Mathematician: "Both. That way, your wife thinks you're with your mistress, your mistress thinks you're with your wife, and there's more time to do math."
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old November 7th, 2009, 10:14 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 16
Country:
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
chinkmeista is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxlvh View Post
Maybe the derivatives were incorrect?
f(x) = sin^{-1}x
f(0) = sin^{-1}0 = 0

f'(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}}

f'(0) = 1

f''(x) = \frac{x}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{3}{2}}}

f''(0)= 0

f'''(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}}

f'''(0) = 1

f^{(4)}(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}}

f^{(4)}(0) = 0

f^{(5)}(x) = \frac{24x^{4}+12x^{2}+9}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{9}{2}}}

f^{(5)}(0) = 9

This gives \sin^{-1}x = x+\frac{x^{3}}{3!}+\frac{9x^{5}}{5!}+... = x+\frac{x^{3}}{6}+\frac{3x^{5}}{40}+...
Ah ok, but how does the 3rd derivative equal the 4th one: f'''(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}} and f^{(4)}(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}} ?

And also, for the 3rd derivative, how did you get the 2x+1 on top? did you use the quotient rule?

Last edited by chinkmeista; November 7th, 2009 at 10:18 PM. Reason: extra bit
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old November 7th, 2009, 10:17 PM
redsoxfan325's Avatar
Super Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Swampscott, MA
Posts: 918
Country:
Thanks: 53
Thanked 335 Times in 323 Posts
redsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkmeista View Post
Ah ok, but how does the 3rd derivative equal the 4th one: f'''(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}} and f^{(4)}(x) = \frac{2x^{2}+1}{(1-x^{2})^{\frac{5}{2}}} ?
It's supposed to be \frac{6x^3+9x}{(1-x^2)^{7/2}}, so f^{(4)}(0)=0.
__________________
Three people were asked whether it was better to have a wife or a mistress.

Doctor: "A wife, because studies have shown that wives have beneficial effects on your health."
Lawyer: "Definitely a mistress, because a wife will just take all your money in a divorce."
Mathematician: "Both. That way, your wife thinks you're with your mistress, your mistress thinks you're with your wife, and there's more time to do math."
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old November 7th, 2009, 11:07 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 126
Thanks: 45
Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts
xxlvh is on a distinguished road
Default

Typing error, my apologies I was quickly trying to recopy those results from a program I used to find the derivatives. However they're still slightly off from the ones that redsoxfan325 has provided so it is best to disregard the ones I posted, it doesn't seem to always work for inverse trig functions..lucky coincidence it resulted with the same coefficients.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old November 7th, 2009, 11:11 PM
redsoxfan325's Avatar
Super Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Swampscott, MA
Posts: 918
Country:
Thanks: 53
Thanked 335 Times in 323 Posts
redsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really niceredsoxfan325 is just really nice
Default

I was doing them on my TI-89. The only difference was the numerator for the f^{(5)}(x). Everything else was the same, though we were representing our denominators differently.
__________________
Three people were asked whether it was better to have a wife or a mistress.

Doctor: "A wife, because studies have shown that wives have beneficial effects on your health."
Lawyer: "Definitely a mistress, because a wife will just take all your money in a divorce."
Mathematician: "Both. That way, your wife thinks you're with your mistress, your mistress thinks you're with your wife, and there's more time to do math."
Reply With Quote
The following users thank redsoxfan325 for this useful post:
Donate to MHF
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
©2005 - 2009 Math Help Forum


Math Help Forum is a community of maths forums with an emphasis on maths help in all levels of mathematics.
Register to post your math questions or just hang out and try some of our math games or visit the arcade.