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11-23-2006, 04:36 PM
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| | Math? (College level only please) Ok,
First I would like to say I mean no offense at this topic or question, I am posting in the lounge after all.
Ok, basically I am honestly fascinated by people who enjoy mathmatics.
As long as I can remember, I have always had a discourse for math. I start to do a problem and half way through I feel as though I am dying with boredom. My mind starts to drift about anything, sex, anything...
Like there is no life in what I am reading. It has always been absolute torture for me. I generally get A's or B's in other classes, including science, but raw math by itself drives me nuts.
What motivates you guys? Do you genuinely enjoy solving a complex math problem? How do you view people such as myself who cannot stand math(it is ok to be honest) Do you view people as myself inferior?
Just curious.
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11-23-2006, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chancer What motivates you guys? | A person can doubt anything in the universe except for math. If you are able to understand it then it shall be thy greatest cup of salvation. Nothing makes so much perfect sense. Everything is explained with perfect detail and understandable to the full end. Nothing! Besides for math has this. Quote: |
Do you genuinely enjoy solving a complex math problem?
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How do you view people such as myself who cannot stand math(it is ok to be honest) Do you view people as myself inferior?
| I consider these people to be inferior sub-humans.
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11-23-2006, 05:13 PM
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I think having a thirst for something has a lot to do with it. I think that is something that is innate. It is a talent that most people do not have.
People have said there is nothing more perfect than math. That is it almost divine. But where is the salvation in it?
It has no heart, no pulse, only manipulation of what already exists.
Close to every genius has been a mathmatican. I can understand how one would feel superior to others that do not have this skill.
Remember however, even Einstein believed that virtue, ethics, and value topple all of knowledge.
My friend, you are very intelligent. However, don't mistake knowledge for wisdom.
What good is your life if you are not happy? You only live once. We are not computers that need nothing but electricity.
If you could pick to have 100 million dollars, understand how the world works, but never be able to be touched by another human again would you take it?
Or, the other option is to not have the 100 million dollars, not understand the complexities of math, but allow human touch.
My only other arguement would be(and again I do think you are very intelligent) is that what you manipulate is what is already out there to find. You are not alone in being able to find the answers to a complex problem. But to touch other with your soul is unique.
Which is more Godly to me? To me it is touch for that is individual.
Anyway, you are using your talent to help people, so thank you.
ps.(I may have to take the question I posted down earlier. I am very greatful to Galactus for responding. THANK YOU. But if I leave it up and my teacher finds it, I may get in trouble) | 
11-23-2006, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chancer My friend, you are very intelligent. However, don't mistake knowledge for wisdom. | The correct term is "intelligence". Knowledge comes through practice, wisdom comes through age, and intellegce comes from God. Intellegnce is something a person cannot improve by himself. If a person is able to understand we can say that person was given the intellegence. Quote: |
If you could pick to have 100 million dollars, understand how the world works, but never be able to be touched by another human again would you take it?
| It is sufficient (though not necessary) for me to understand how the world works. Quote: |
Anyway, you are using your talent to help people, so thank you.
| On the contary, I am doing this because I entertain myself. Anything which is caused by this is secondary.
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11-23-2006, 05:57 PM
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| | "On the contary, I am doing this because I entertain myself. Anything which is caused by this is secondary"
A gentlemen and a scholar I see.
No, but seriously at least it is helping people. However, human nature is selfish anyway, so you do not neccesarily owe anyone anything.
However, remember you are not an island. Eventually, you too will need help in some area. "The correct term is "intelligence". Knowledge comes through practice, wisdom comes through age, and intellegce comes from God. Intellegnce is something a person cannot improve by himself. If a person is able to understand we can say that person was given the intellegence."
Knowledge does come through practice, I agree. And wisdom does come through age as well. Good point.
However, if intelligence is given from God, how can not one improve it on his own? If it is given from God, shouldn't one already have it and not need it from others? | 
11-24-2006, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chancer "On the contary, I am doing this because I entertain myself. Anything which is caused by this is secondary"
A gentlemen and a scholar I see.
No, but seriously at least it is helping people. However, human nature is selfish anyway, so you do not neccesarily owe anyone anything. | What ImPerferctHacker is concealing is that a number of the forum leaders
activities are a cover for a plan to take control of the major financial
institutions and so the world. The good news is that we are all trying to
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However, remember you are not an island. Eventually, you too will need help in some area. "The correct term is "intelligence". Knowledge comes through practice, wisdom comes through age, and intellegce comes from God. Intellegnce is something a person cannot improve by himself. If a person is able to understand we can say that person was given the intellegence."
Knowledge does come through practice, I agree. And wisdom does come through age as well. Good point.
However, if intelligence is given from God, how can not one improve it on his own? If it is given from God, shouldn't one already have it and not need it from others?
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11-24-2006, 05:56 AM
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| | I knew you guys were trying to rule the world.
I knew it, I Knew it, I knew it!~
Imagine if you guys used your power for bad. That wouldn't be good. Lex Luther or something.
I have always had trouble in math. I think it is because I do not devote enough time to it. Then when I get to a problem I think is hard I give up because it looks like mumbo jumbo to me.
There are some interesting posts on this forum though. I like reading them. I think once I understand a little more about the history of math and why people use it to seek truths, it will become more interesting to me.
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| | I myself knew its history quite well. I want to buy this book. But I cannot replace the time I spend learning math for learning its history. It seems to have everything in to.
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| | Math is beautiful. Math is one among a very few number of things here we can take for true and granted. And in spite of that math with it's simplicity can show many relations between numbers and represent many forms of shapes, behaviours, etc. in real world by only a short equation or formula, it can show great complexity. It never seems to end. One can't learn it all or discover everything, mathematics is an undiscovered world. Why does for example the Fibonacci numbers and the golden ratio show up here and there in real world?
Mathematics makes it possible to make up new beautiful arts and shapes, take the mandelbrot fractal for example. Mathematics makes it possible to tell how the world behaves (physics) without even having tested it. Like the theory of relativity, it started as a theory and was then gradually discovered to be true. Quote:
Originally Posted by chancer Do you view people as myself inferior? | No, really not, I can't say I'm having a big company in enjoying math. | 
11-26-2006, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chancer I knew you guys were trying to rule the world.
I knew it, I Knew it, I knew it!~ | No were not, were just trying to make life miserable  (although I'm not really a mathematician) Quote: |
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell. |
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