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If you could check my 2 proofs and help me start on one please.

1a) If n^3 is a multiple of 2, then n is a multiple of 2. Domain of n is all integers.

My proof:

An integer n is even if there exists an integer k such that n = 2k.
n = 2k, n^3 = (2k)^3 = 8k^3 = 2(4k^3)
4k^3 is an integer therefore n^3 is even, thus making it a multiple of 2.
By the definition of n = 2k, n is also a multiple of 2.



1b) \sqrt[3]{2} is an irrational number.

My proof(by contradiction):

\sqrt[3]{2} is a positive number such that its cube is 2.

Assume \sqrt[3]{2} is rational.
\exists integers P, Q such that \sqrt[3]{2} = \frac{P}{Q}, fully simplified.

(\sqrt[3]{2})^3 = (\frac{P}{Q})^3  \rightarrow  2 = \frac{P^3}{Q^3}  \rightarrow  2Q^3 = P^3

(Corollary: If n^3 is even, then n is even. (proven in 1a))
An integer n is even if there exists an integer k such that n = 2k.

2Q^3 = (2k)^3 = 8k^3  \rightarrow Q^3 = 4k^3 = 2(2k^3)

2k^3 is an integer, therefore Q is even, along with P.

Since P and Q are even, they share a common factor. Since we defined that \frac{P}{Q} was fully simplified, we have a contradiction.



Now the one I am having a hard time with is
2) Prove or disprove the following proposition: If x and y are positive integers such that x > y + 1, then x^2 - y^2 is not prime.


Thanks in advance
James
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If you could check my 2 proofs and help me start on one please.

1a) If n^3 is a multiple of 2, then n is a multiple of 2. Domain of n is all integers.

My proof:

An integer n is even if there exists an integer k such that n = 2k.
n = 2k, n^3 = (2k)^3 = 8k^3 = 2(4k^3)
4k^3 is an integer therefore n^3 is even, thus making it a multiple of 2.
By the definition of n = 2k, n is also a multiple of 2.
Huh
But here you proved that if n is even, then n^3 is even... while you're asked to prove the converse.
Actually, it's more complicated, you proved that if n^3 is in a form 2k, with k a very special number, then n is even. Hehe that was unfair

So...what you can do is to prove the contrapositive :
"if n is odd, then n^3 is odd"

Let n=2k+1.
So n^3=(2k+1)^3= \text{ even or odd ? }


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1b) \sqrt[3]{2} is an irrational number.

My proof(by contradiction):

\sqrt[3]{2} is a positive number such that its cube is 2.

Assume \sqrt[3]{2} is rational.
\exists integers P, Q such that \sqrt[3]{2} = \frac{P}{Q}, fully simplified.

(\sqrt[3]{2})^3 = (\frac{P}{Q})^3  \rightarrow  2 = \frac{P^3}{Q^3}  \rightarrow  2Q^3 = P^3

(Corollary: If n^3 is even, then n is even. (proven in 1a))
An integer n is even if there exists an integer k such that n = 2k.

2Q^3 = (2k)^3 = 8k^3  \rightarrow Q^3 = 4k^3 = 2(2k^3)

2k^3 is an integer, therefore Q is even, along with P.

Since P and Q are even, they share a common factor. Since we defined that \frac{P}{Q} was fully simplified, we have a contradiction.
It's your method, you keep it because it's okay !


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Now the one I am having a hard time with is
2) Prove or disprove the following proposition: If x and y are positive integers such that x > y + 1, then x^2 - y^2 is not prime.
Difference of two squares ^^

x²-y²=(x-y)(x+y)
(note that x-y < x+y since x and y are positive integers)
The only way for it to be a prime is that x-y=1 and x+y is a prime number.
But... It is said that x > y+1; that is to say x-y>1

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Thanks for the reply. I shall work on it some more after class.

But doesn't showing n is even indirectly show it is a multiple of 2?
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Thanks for the reply. I shall work on it some more after class.

But doesn't showing n is even indirectly show it is a multiple of 2?
Yes it does.
But it's not the problem here.


You found an expression for n^3, starting from n=2k (that is to say even). But you want to prove that n is even, you don't know it yet !

If you want to do the direct proof, you will have to assume that 2 divides n^3. There is a theorem (not sure) that says "if a prime number p divides n^m, then p^m divides n^m". But I don't think you're supposed to use it (and you'll have to prove it).

So do the contrapositive, starting from what I've showed you, and it'll be okay



Nota Bene : the contrapositive of A \Rightarrow B is \neg B \Rightarrow \neg A, and if the contrapositive is true, then the original statement is true too. And conversely.
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Thanks Moo! I was able to do the problem I couldn't start, and fix my proof today.
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