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Prove that \log_7 10>\log_11 13
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Prove that \log_7 10>\log_11 13
Hi.
I guess you mean \log_7 (10)>\log_{11} (13) , right?

Do you know the formula log_a (x) =  \frac{ln(x)}{ln(a)}

Hence

log_7 (10) = \frac{ln(10)}{ln(7)} > \frac{ln(13)}{ln(11)} = log_{11}(13)

\Rightarrow \frac{ln(10)*ln(11)}{ln(7)*ln(13)} > 1
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Prove that \log_7 10>\log_{\color{red}11 }\color{red}13
First note that the function g(x)=x\ln{x} is strictly increasing for x>1. (It is in fact strictly increasing for x>e^{-1} but we take x>1 for simplicity’s sake.)

Hence for all 1<a<b. we have a\ln{a}<b\ln{b}; i.e. \frac{\ln{a}}b-\frac{\ln{b}}a<0\ \ldots\fbox{1}

Now define f(x)=\ln(10+x)\ln(10-x) for 0<x<9.

We have f'(x)=\frac{\ln(10-x)}{10+x}-\frac{\ln(10+x)}{10-x}.

Since 1<10-x<10+x for 0<x<9, we have that f'(x)<0 for 0<x<9 by \fbox{1} above.

Thuis f(x) is strictly decreasing for 0<x<9.

In particular, f(1)>f(3)

i.e. \ln{11}\cdot\ln{9}\ >\ \ln{13}\cdot\ln{7}

But \ln{10}>\ln{9}.

\therefore\ \ln{11}\cdot\ln{10}\ >\ \ln{13}\cdot\ln{7}

\Rightarrow\ \frac{\ln{10}}{\ln{7}}\ >\ \frac{\ln{13}}{\ln{11}}
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