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Default [SOLVED] Quadratic Equation

Question:
Find the value of x when y = 0
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

Attempt:

(2x - 1)(x + 3)^{-1} = 0

(2x - 1)(x^{-1} + \frac{1}{3}) = 0

2 + \frac{2}{3}x - x^{-1} - \frac{1}{3} = 0

\frac{2}{3}x - x^{-1} + \frac{5}{3} = 0

\frac{4}{9}x^2 - 1 + \frac{5}{3} = 0

\frac{4}{9}x^2 + \frac{5}{3} - 1 = 0

I think the quadratic equation that i got is wrong ... Where did I go wrong?
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Question:
Find the value of x when y = 0
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

Attempt:

(2x - 1)(x + 3)^{-1} = 0

{\color{red}(2x - 1)(x^{-1} + \frac{1}{3}) = 0}

2 + \frac{2}{3}x - x^{-1} - \frac{1}{3} = 0

\frac{2}{3}x - x^{-1} + \frac{5}{3} = 0

\frac{4}{9}x^2 - 1 + \frac{5}{3} = 0

\frac{4}{9}x^2 + \frac{5}{3} - 1 = 0

I think the quadratic equation that i got is wrong ... Where did I go wrong?
It's the step in red which is incorrect...

(a+b)^n \not = a^n+b^n


What you have to do is to say that x+3 has to be different of 0.
Then solve :

0=\frac{2x-1}{x+3}

Multiplying both sides by x+3 (which is possible because x+3 is not = 0) :

\boxed{0=2x-1}



But I don't see why there is a quadratic equation here... ^^
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Question:
Find the value of x when y = 0
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

Attempt:

(2x - 1)(x + 3)^{-1} = 0

(2x - 1)(x^{-1} + \frac{1}{3}) = 0

2 + \frac{2}{3}x - x^{-1} - \frac{1}{3} = 0

\frac{2}{3}x - x^{-1} + \frac{5}{3} = 0

\frac{4}{9}x^2 - 1 + \frac{5}{3} = 0

\frac{4}{9}x^2 + \frac{5}{3} - 1 = 0

I think the quadratic equation that i got is wrong ... Where did I go wrong?
You've made very heavy weather of this. Simply solve 2x - 1 - 0 (why?).

And it's good form to check that the solution is not a solution to x + 3 = 0 (why?)
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Question:
Find the value of x when y = 0
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}
this is what i did (dont know if it is right or not though)
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

{2x - 1}= 0

{2x} = 1

{x} = 1/2

Zac

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this is what i did (dont know if it is right or not though)
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

{x + 3} = {2x - 1}

{-x + 4} = 0

{-x} = -4

{x} = 4

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What you did was for y=1
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this is what i did (dont know if it is right or not though)
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

{-x - 3} = {2x - 1}

{-3x -2} = 0

{-3x} = 2

{x} = -2/3

Zac
Now, this is for y=-1
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Now, this is for y=-1
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this is what i did (dont know if it is right or not though)
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

{2x - 1}= 0

{2x} = 1

{x} = 1/2

Zac
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y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

y = 0

\frac{2x - 1}{x + 3} = 0

2x - 1 = x + 3
2x - 1 - x - 3 = 0
x - 4 = 0
x = 4

The answer I have is x = \frac{1}{2} ?!
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this is what i did (dont know if it is right or not though)
y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

{2x - 1}= 0

{2x} = 1

{x} = 1/2

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Why do we get rid of x + 3 ?
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y = \frac{2x - 1}{x + 3}

y = 0

\frac{2x - 1}{x + 3} = 0

2x - 1 = x + 3
2x - 1 - x - 3 = 0
x - 4 = 0
x = 4

The answer I have is x = \frac{1}{2} ?!
yer it is x = \frac{1}{2}
i edited my post (several times)

we get rid of the x = 3 because x = 3/0 = 0 which leaves us with 2x - 1 = 0
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yer it is x = \frac{1}{2}
i edited my post (several times)
Thanks zp3929! I couldn't understand the reason for you removing x + 3 from the equation?
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Thanks zp3929! I couldn't understand the reason for you removing x + 3 from the equation?
Told you, it's because you multiply each side by x+3 ^^
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