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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:09 AM
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you need to evaluate cos(\frac{\pi}{9})

To do this you need to consider cos(a\pm b) = cos(a)\times cos(b)\mp sin(a)\times sin(b)

where cos(\frac{\pi}{9}) = cos(a\pm b)

only after finding this will you be able to get an exact value
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you need to evaluate cos(\frac{\pi}{9})

To do this you need to consider cos(a\pm b) = cos(a)\times cos(b)\mp sin(a)\times sin(b)

where cos(\frac{\pi}{9}) = cos(a\pm b)

only after finding this will you be able to get an exact value
This technique will not work in this instance.


Edit: The off-topic discussion regarding the value of questions like this one can be found here: 18th century questions in the 21st century. Any further discussion of this nature should be continued at that thread.
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Or you can try

(a_1^2+a_2^2+a_3^2+a_4^2)(b_1^2+b_2^2+b_3^2+b_4^2)=

(a_1 b_1 - a_2 b_2 - a_3 b_3 - a_4 b_4)^2 +(a_1 b_2 + a_2 b_1 + a_3 b_4 - a_4 b_3)^2 +

(a_1 b_3 - a_2 b_4 + a_3 b_1 + a_4 b_2)^2 +(a_1 b_4 + a_2 b_3 - a_3 b_2 + a_4 b_1)^2

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That thought had crossed my mind but it will then be necessary to solve the cubic equation 4 t^3 - 3t - \frac{1}{2} = 0 and I think that will be no mean feat (the method of Cardano could be used I suppose).

There will be a clever trick but I don't have time right.
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Let us consider the equation
cos3\theta=cos\frac{\pi}{3}

there are infinite solutions of this equation
in the domain [0,2\pi], the solutions are

\theta=\frac{\pi}{9},\frac{5\pi}{9},\frac{7\pi}{9},\frac{11\pi}{9},\frac{13\pi}{9},\frac{17\pi}{9}.................(a)

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Equation1:
cos3\theta=cos\frac{\pi}{3}
Equation 2:
4cos^{3}x-3cosx=1/2
The above two equations are identical. Every value of \theta that satisfies equation 1 satisfies equation 2. If \theta is a solution of equation 1, the cos\theta is a root of the second equation.

For above solutions of \theta

cos\theta=cos\frac{\pi}{9},cos\frac{5\pi}{9},cos\frac{7\pi}{9},cos\frac{11\pi}{9},cos\frac{13\pi}{9},cos\frac{17\pi}{9}
the last three of the above six are just the repetition of the first three. So the roots of Equation 2 can be

cos\frac{\pi}{9}(=cos\frac{17\pi}{9}),cos\frac{5\pi}{9}(=cos\frac{13\pi}{9}),cos\frac{7\pi}{9}(=cos\frac{11\pi}{9})

Hence, we can say that cos\frac{\pi}{9},cos\frac{5\pi}{9},cos\frac{7\pi}{9} are the three roots of equation 2.

Multipying equation 2 by sec^{3}\theta
we get

sec^{3}\theta+6sec^{2}\theta-8=0

roots aresec\frac{\pi}{9},sec\frac{5\pi}{9},sec\frac{7\pi}{9}

sec\frac{\pi}{9}+sec\frac{5\pi}{9}+sec\frac{7\pi}{9}=-6

sec\frac{\pi}{9}.sec\frac{5\pi}{9}+sec\frac{7\pi}{9}.sec\frac{\pi}{9}+sec\frac{5\pi}{9}.sec\frac{7\pi}{9}=0

the question of this thread is
sec^{2}\frac{\pi}{9}+sec^{2}\frac{5\pi}{9}+sec^{2}\frac{7\pi}{9}+4

=(sec\frac{\pi}{9}+sec\frac{5\pi}{9}+sec\frac{7\pi}{9})^{2}-2(sec\frac{\pi}{9}.sec\frac{5\pi}{9}+sec\frac{7\pi}{9}.sec\frac{\pi}{9}+sec\frac{5\pi}{9}.sec\frac{7\pi}{9})+4

=(-6)^{2}+2(0)+4

=40
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This technique will not work in this instance.


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